| Interview: Mike White is a GENTLEMEN BRONCO | ||||
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Director Jared Hess and his writing partner/wife Jerusha have made a career out of telling the stories of oddball underdogs, first in Napoleon Dynamite and then in Nacho Libre.
Their latest film, Gentlemen Broncos, produced by friend and fellow filmmaker Mike White, follows 17-year-old Benjamin Purvis (Michael Angarano), a science fiction prodigy who lives in a geodesic dome in Utah with his mother (Jennifer Coolidge), an aspiring nightgown designer. Benjamin's passion for writing sci-fi novels is turned upside down when his idol, the celebrated fantasy author Dr. Ronald Chevalier (Jemaine Clement), steals his story at a writers camp. As the young man's world catapults into a series of bizarre wrong turns, he learns that he must stand up for both his mother and himself, if he's ever going to make their dreams come true. At the film's press day, Mike White, who also plays the role of Dusty, a scraggly-haired member of the Purvis' church who takes his giant albino snake everywhere, talked about working with the Hesses and where he sees his own career going next. Q: What was the snake like to work with? Was he hard to deal with? Mike: The snake was a sweetheart. His name was peaches and he was a good snake. I didn't have any problem with it. Have you ever been snorkeling, when you're going along and it's all right and then, suddenly, you get the heebie jeebies and you're like, "What am I doing down here?" That's how it was with the snake. I'd be like, "What is going on?" Q: How do you find chemistry with a snake? Mike: Hours and hours were spent with that snake around my neck, and I think we built a real creative collaboration. Q: How much did you contribute to the look of the character? Mike: Very little. Do you think I would choose to look like that? Even my mom started crying, when she saw the preview. She was like, "That's not your best look." I think of him as the Albino Slick Rick. It was pretty fun to walk around Salt Lake City, on breaks from the set, and go to Chipotle and scare everybody. At first, I thought I was going to get beat up, but then I realized that everybody was more afraid that I was a crackhead who was coming to beat them up. Q: Was Dusty a difficult character to play? Mike: I don't think I'm like Dusty, but I'm not afraid to be weird, so I wasn't going to resist any of Jared's impulses. Ultimately, the vision of the character was his, but I was weird enough to go with it. Mike: The reason I produced the movie and was involved was because we did Nacho Libre together, and I actually flew out to Salt Lake and spent a lot of time with them. I consider them good friends, and they're just super-fun people. Jared is a weird mix of so emotionally mature, but so totally immature, at the same time, as far as what makes him laugh and his antic spirit. He's just a special guy, and they have a cool relationship. It's fun to be a part of their stuff. Jerusha is more of the practical one, who is more like, "Jared, come on. We've gotta get working." But, she also has a really wicked, mischievous sense of humor. Q: The main character of this film is a quiet, nerdy guy with big dreams, who loves sci-fi and cult movies. How much of that could you identify with? Mike: I definitely could relate. I'm not so much a sci-fi geek as Benjamin. But, both him and his mom are these folk artists who are self-taught and who have impulses to create, and they're insecure about whether there's an audience for what they do, or if anybody is going to like their stuff. They're supports for each other, and they find that there is a place for them and an audience for what they do, and they have a little success at the end. That story is something that I certainly could relate to and would like to see. Q: Does this movie perpetuate the stereotype of sci-fi fans, or does it pay homage to them? Mike: I think it pays homage. Certainly, there are people in the movie that you feel are going overboard, but I think it celebrates it. A lot of the movie is about fan fiction and cinemashing, and people taking something that someone else has created, getting inspired by that and making their own versions. It borders on plagiarism in moments in this movie, but a work of art can live on past its own thing, whether it's dressing up in the clothes of the characters that they like or writing their own version of the story. I know where Jared comes out on that. He's a celebrator of those kinds of creative activities. Q: How do you deal with plagiarism? Mike: There's always that, but the stuff that I write is not in the world of high-concept movies. If the concepts were so high-concept, I'd be more like, "I should save this idea because it's so great that I smell money." But, the stuff I come up with are concepts that hopefully will be better on the page. Usually, it's not the concepts that sell it. Hopefully, it's the execution of it. We all drink from the same well, so a lot of times, people will have similar ideas, at the same time, and there's a reason for it. It's in the ether or the zeitgeist, or whatever. Q: As a producer, are you budget conscious while you're reading a script? Mike: Yeah. This movie is unique and clearly not totally mainstream, so you have to keep that in mind, as you're writing it, and then you have to make the scale make sense and be practical for what the spirit of the movie is. It would make no sense to have something that's real unique, in terms of structure, theme or character, and then have all these expensive practical needs. I've been around long enough to know that it's just going to be a heartbreaking journey to try to make that happen. If you're going to do something weird, you need to figure out how to do that at a responsible budget. If you're doing something that's a big tent idea, you can open it up more. That being said, this movie wouldn't be any funnier, if we'd had a lot more money. Some of the low-fi, podunk aspects fo the sci-fi world is what actually adds to the humor. As much as it seemed ambitious on the page, I knew that Jared's vision was more of a low-fi version of it, so it was something that was possible for us to do. Q: When you're on set, how do you know when something is funny or just really awkward? Mike: In the end, a lot of that is subjective anyway. Some people will find those scenes funny and some people won't. My mom still doesn't get Napoleon Dynamite or Nacho Libre, and she's definitely not going to get this film. But, at the same time, there are a lot of people that will get it, so you have to make it for your tribe. On set, you don't know. I'm sure there was stuff that Jared thought was so funny on the set, and then you put it in the movie and it's not as funny. A lot of times, the things that get the biggest reaction on the set, that everyone thinks is just so funny and the crew is cracking up, you put it in your edit and realize, "That's not as funny once it's mounted in the movie, as it was on the day." And, a lot of times, you miss things on the set because something is subtle, and then you see it in the film and you're like, "Oh, my gosh! This person was doing something amazing." Mike: There's definitely ad-libbing, but ultimately, in the final product, a lot of the ad-libbing goes away. Jared has a thing that he sees and he sticks to that. There are other comedy directors who work with a script that's undercooked, and then everyone brings their own stuff to it. Q: What was it like to work with Jennifer Coolidge? Mike: She's so awesome. She's just one of the funniest people. Obviously, she's funny in movies. If I was ever in a plane crash, I'd want her to be there with me ‘cause I would be laughing, all the way down. Q: Did you always know that you'd be in the film, or did you sign on as producer first? Mike: Jared actually asked me to be in it before he asked me to produce it. Q: Were you involved in the casting process with this? Mike: Yeah. I definitely gave my suggestions, and some of the people ended up in the movie, but it was more my job to support the people that Jared liked. I watched casting tapes, but most of the casting was his. Q: What was the biggest difference of working on Nacho Libre versus this film? Mike: It's so different because we made Nacho in Mexico with a Spanish-speaking crew. Working in Salt Lake, Jared and Jerusha are Mormons and there was a lot of people from their world there. So, the people were really different, but at the same time, equally good-hearted with a cool vibe on the set. My experience in Mexico, making that movie, was probably one of the best professional experiences I ever had. There's something magical about Oaxaca and the vibe of the people. It was just very unique for me. But, they were both fun. You just make a lot of cool memories, along the way. Q: Being a producer, writer, director and actor, what do you want to do next? Mike: I'd like to go back on The Amazing Race. I'd drop it all to go back on the show. Well, I wrote a pilot for HBO (called Enlightened) that I'm directing, and that's what I'm doing next. Q: What is the pilot about? Mike: It's a half-hour show with Laura Dern. It's about a woman who has a nervous breakdown, and she goes and gets "help." While she's away, she has an enlightened experience and she comes back to build all the bridges she's burned. She's going to fix everything. Q: When does that go into production? Mike: We're shooting in January. Q: What is the status of Them? Is that still happening? Mike: Edgar Wright and I worked on the script for Them. It's an adaptation of a Jon Ronson book. It's not a remake of the ant movie. It's a sci-fi conspiracy comedy. Edgar went and made this other movie, Scott Pilgrim, and now he's finishing editing, so the conversation will happen about whether he'll do that, or we'll find another director. I don't know. But, the script is written. Q: Is there any possibility of a School of Rock 2? Mike: The script was written for that, too. It's just about scheduling, Jack [Black], studios, deals and money. It's out of my hands. Q: Would Richard Linklater come back? Mike: He's in talks to come back, yeah. Mike: I have a little niche place in the business, and that's fine with me. I'm not looking to be the King of Comedy, or the King of Hollywood. I just want to be able to keep making stuff that I'm into and have the opportunity to challenge myself, wearing different hats. I have no complaints. I do what I do because that's what I like. I may be pigeonholed, in a certain way, but that's probably accurate. I do idiosyncratic dramedies. Sometimes they're bigger like School of Rock, and sometimes they're smaller. If I wanted to go make a slasher movie, people would probably be like, "I don't know if that's really for you." But, I don't think I would ever ask to do that, so it's okay. Q: Is there anyone specific you'd like to work with? Mike: There's just a lot of funny and talented people that I haven't worked with yet, but none come to mind. A lot of times, you meet people like the Hess', Jack Black, Laura Dern or Molly Shannon, who are different people that I've worked with more than once, and you become friends and that's who you want to work with. You want to work with people who you like and have an easy rapport with. Some of the fancier people are often more trouble than they're worth. Q: What's the most difficult aspect of producing? Mike: It's hard to describe. It's just a catch-all of many things. But, the hardest part on this job was looking like Dusty on the set and being taken seriously, as a producer. They'd look at me like I was insane. Q: Will you do more acting? Mike: Yeah, it's fun to act. As a director or writer, you have to be so controlling. As an actor, it's better to just be more loose and give yourself over. That's always fun. It's fun to just let go and be somebody else. But, I don't go out on auditions or pound the pavement trying to do more of that. When it comes up and people ask me to do it, I'll do it. Q: Do you hope to work on a major project at all? Mike: I'm not really a director or producer for hire. There's lots of big gigs out there, but I'm not looking to do that. Usually, when I'm directing or producing, I've written it myself. In this case, I didn't write it, but a good friend of mine did, so that's how I got onto the project. I'm not really out there, trying to get on some big horse that's running through town. I just make my own stuff. Check out some behind the scenes footage with Mike White from GENTLEMEN BRONCOS below -
GENTLEMEN BRONCOS opens October 30th
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Director Jared Hess and his writing partner/wife Jerusha have made a career out of telling the stories of oddball underdogs, first in Napoleon Dynamite and then in Nacho Libre.










